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Believing in your group coaching and in your clients with Timea

In this episode, I’m coaching Timea in real-time on a challenge she was facing in her coaching business. Timea’s submission to be coached was “I’m struggling with: my group coaching won’t make more money than my 1:1 offers” 

You’ll notice I focus on coaching more as opposed to consulting or mentoring. This is where I start when I work with clients as I coach “the who” and not “the what”. I always coach the mind before we get into strategy and doing. Without having the mind in the right place the strategy and doing will go nowhere.

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Hello and welcome to this episode of the, of course you do. Podcast. I am so excited for this one. This is the first in our series of episodes where you can be coached by me. So in this episode, it is a coaching session of one.

Friends clients, students to Mayo. You heard her be on the podcast before you’ve heard me probably talk about her a bunch of different times. Like I said, she is a friend first and foremost, and a client and a student of the creative coach method. And she agreed to be our very first coaching. Person in this series.

So I’m super excited to share this with you. If you want to be a part of this, if you want to get free coaching from me, because on the podcast on something that you need coaching on to do with your business, it can be business mindset. It can be strategy. It can be. Whatever it is that you need coaching on around your business, you can apply to be coached on a podcast.

The link is in the show notes for this episode. So when I do these sessions and you’ll notice, especially in this episode, this is. Oh, excuse me. My throat is like, I dunno, drying up there. This is a more coaching-focused episode, not a consulting or mentoring-focused episode. I like to in all of my coaching sessions, have coaching.

Be. The first and foremost, main thing I do in the sessions because I find based on all of my experience, that when we focus on the coaching, rather than the mentoring or consulting. So when I’m focusing on, on helping my clients see things from a different perspective, um, really. Learn understand that they have internal resources, um, things like that, rather than giving them advice or telling them what to do or giving them strategy or suggesting a way that they could do something.

I am working with them on. Coaching on the who versus the, what, this is what we’re doing in these coaching sessions. So you’ll notice that this episode is very coaching forward, very coaching focused. And that is what I do the majority of time with the people that I coach. So I hope you enjoy this episode.

I am going to. Dive in right now. Like I said, if you want to apply to be coached, you can head to the link in the description in the show notes for this episode, and you can apply there. Hi. Hi, thanks so much for being here. I’m really excited to coach you today. I always love being coached by you. So let’s, let’s do this also.

What would you like to be coached on? Okay. So with my online business, I have one-on-one sessions and they also have group sessions. And I feel like there’s some sort of a block with my group sessions. I just sometimes feel like, are they good enough? Are they powerful enough? Cause I’m not able to give people that one-on-one attention.

But then I also can’t have indefinite numbers of one-on-one clients. So then it’s like, I do need to have a mixture of both and like inherently, I know they’re both powerful because I have the feedback from my clients and I see them transform and like creating big things. But then I feel like inside somehow I still feel like group coaching isn’t as powerful, but then it’s like, I’ve done group coaching as a participant and it was very powerful.

So it’s like, what, what is holding you back here? So tell me about that thought that group coaching isn’t as bad as. Um, so with some of the techniques that we use. So for example, with time technique, not every single client will have that aha moment at the same time. So people who have it quicker might benefit more compared to people who might need a little bit more questioning.

And if it’s a group setting, especially if it’s on zoom and there’s like no video, no audio. Then I have no way of knowing. How to probe a little bit deeper for everyone to have a really strong breakthrough. How do you know that the people that need a little bit more time to, to process the time techniques, what benefit, how do you know that the people who have an aha moment quicker are benefiting more than the people that don’t have it as quickly?

True. I’ve mean I’ve never know really. And even if I do, one-on-one like, there’s no guaranteed results. So yeah. So you, you, you don’t know who’s benefiting more than anyone else? No, that’s true. Technically I don’t, I think I’m just caught in my head. Tell me what else is going on. What other thoughts you’re having about your group coaching?

Um, In terms of the group coaching. Like, I, I know that, uh, financially not everyone would be able to work with me. So I want to be like different, like tiers of people being able to work with me in some basis. That being said though, like I only have so much time in a day and like I do obviously have. Like pay my own bills too.

So it’s like, I need there to be a bit of a difference. But then with the group coaching, I just feel like it’s significantly more accessible and it gives people an opportunity to still dive into coaching, dive into NLP and do some of that work that they may not have been able to do on a one-on-one basis with me otherwise.

So you want to be offering group coaching. But in the back of your mind, a little deeper down, you have the thought that it’s not as powerful as one-on-one coaching the people who join might not get the benefit of the tools that you have. I just feel like there’s a lot of benefit when you’re one-on-one with someone, because you can pick up those subtle changes, the little changes in their body language and their behavior, or like even a tiny Twitch on their face.

And it’s like, you can see it more, um, energetic. If I’m in front of someone zoom or not, like I can feel how close they are to processing and releasing something. But then in a group setting, it’s like, you feel everyone’s energy. So it’s like a little harder to tune in that, into that from like an energetic perspective.

Is it possible for you to tune into an individual’s energy in a group setting?

Perhaps if, I mean, I would need everyone’s video on it at least so I can at least see the changes in like body language, but not everyone’s comfortable. Okay. What if you didn’t need the video on, what if, and I’m just kind of spitballing here because I have experience doing this. So I know that things are possible.

So that’s why I’m just gonna kind of walk you down this path a little. What if you trusted your intuition that you could. Tune into an individual’s energy or what if you didn’t even need to tune into their energy at all? What if you trusted them enough and believed in their own ability to get the transformation that they need, that you didn’t need to tune into their energy at all?

If you just trusted yourself as the guy. And showed up as the guide, because that’s what we’re doing. When we’re coaches, you showed up as the guide and said, okay, I’m going to guide these people. And I’m not in charge of what they get today because you’re not there in charge of what they’re get. God angels, universe, whoever, whatever individual is in charge of what they get.

If they get what they get, they don’t get what they don’t. Yeah, right? Yeah. So it sounds like maybe you were putting a little bit too much pressure on yourself to be the giver of transformation, to be the one who holds like the power here I’m doing in quotation marks, because people kind of see that I’m doing this, the one who has the key for your, your, your people, but they chose to come and do a group program.

They were guided to join a group program. By whatever, guided them, their own intuition, their own higher power, their own selves, they were guided to come and do it. So the same thing, being energy themselves, that guided them to actually decide to do it can also be in charge and also is in charge of whatever they get from it, whatever they get and whatever they don’t.

Yeah, and you’re kind of splitting true. You’re putting pressure on yourself to be the giver of the transformation. And you said earlier that you’ve done group programs that you’ve been in group situations and it was amazing. Right. So in that situation, was it the guide that gave you the transformation or do you got.

Based on yourself, your own thoughts and feelings and experiences that you had? I would say both because like the guide guided the process, created the space, created the container, um, kind of drop the, like crumbs to get like my mind going and for me to like dive deeper. But then I guess it was me who did the worst.

Right. And is that not exactly what’s happening in your group programs as well? You’re the guide you’re dropping the crumbs. You created the container for these people to show up like you did the work, you know, you’ve done that pot that you needed to do, that you were guided by your intuition to do. And these people show up because they want you as their guide in the container that you’ve created.

Yeah. In the capacity that you’ve created it. And there, there is an element of them needing to trust themselves to get what they came for to get the transformation and not to rely on you, because it’s not really fair of you to put the pressure on yourself, to be the determining factor on whether someone gets a transformation or not, you know, like, yeah.

If you, if that was solely on you. Then that would be a lot of pressure on you and it wouldn’t be great for your clients when they leave the coaching situation, they don’t have their own tools and resources to continue growing. Right. But when you can say, all right, I’m responsible for creating the container and showing up and the plant, my clients are responsible for their own transformation because they can, and they have the power and ability to do that for themselves.

Then each person is empowered. Yeah, no, it’s true. And I mean, like the example that was popping my head is you get a personal trainer, like you’re not guaranteed abs at the end of your whatever sessions. It’s like, if you didn’t do the workouts and you didn’t like be more mindful of what you’re eating and your rest and your hydration, then it’s like, it’s on you.

It’s just the container of like suggestions. And you have the power as the, as the client. To, to take it. And it all depends on where you’re at as the client as well. You know, like it’s always times it’s always those problems and you can’t, you can never really know what someone’s experienced. Maybe in like a week, a month, a year, they’ll look back and be like, that was the most transformational thing that could ever I could ever have been through.

No, it’s true. And that means people have a big transformation and they don’t share, but then it’s like, it doesn’t mean that didn’t have it. And I know I’ve had that too. It’s like a powerful yoga class or a powerful retreat. And then it’s like shifted you, but then you don’t actually tell the person who was doing it.

So then it’s like, they never knew, but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Exactly was true. Exactly. So, can you tell me how, um, the thought that you were having my. Group programs on as Pell full as my one-on-one programs. Can you tell me how that impacts your business? Um, I feel like there’s just like a lingering, like is a good enough slash I just want everyone to have the absolute best experience.

And I know that I’m continuously improving and adding to every single program and offering that I have, but I feel like it’s still. Maybe makes me second, guess myself a little bit, which like energetically would be lingering around the offering that I have. Right. So when you have that thought, um, and can you put it into your own words for me?

Cause I don’t want to paraphrase, but can you tell me what it is? Um, the thought is just like questioning how good or could it be better in terms of the group offering and when you have that thought, how do you think. Um, a little bit like anxious, cause then I start like over analyzing the offering and then thinking about how it can be like better, more robust, smoother.

And you’re just like, almost like adding too much to it. Cause it’s like, I want it to be so good. Cause I I’m just so I guess passionate about what I do. So. You’re thinking that’s a lot, you’re feeling those feelings. What’s the anxious, that action action that you’re taking. Um, I think I’m like, over-analyzing the details and just seeing, like, is there anything that I missed?

Is there anything else that I’ve done before or that I’m aware of that could like kind of add to a. Be really detail oriented and just kind of like, I guess, continuously scanning and over analyzing the program. So you’re trying to add more. You’re trying to do more stuff put more in. So what, what actions aren’t you taking when you’re thinking that forward and feeling their feelings distressing?

That it’s good enough, but what actions are you not taking? Let’s talk like actions. Okay. I’m not doing what actions am I not taking? I guess. I don’t know if it’s too abstract, but it’s like just enjoying the process and just like doing the actual coaching as opposed to try to change it or adjust it. Um, are you like making offers as much as you would want to.

Um, I feel like I am, but then I’m also like, I don’t want to be annoying with over selling and like I’ve made peace with the selling that it’s like, it just is part of what you’re doing. You’re offering people something that they may or may not want to buy. Um, but then it’s, I might not enjoy the promoting and the marketing of it as much.

So you’re. I mean, there’s like a whole nother thought process around like the wholesaling thing, but maybe would you say you’re not making offers as much as would align with, uh, working with as many people as you would want to, or helping as many people as you would want. There’s definitely room for improvement in terms of sharing it more.

And like maybe being more consistent with it or jumping on like different platforms to promote what I’m doing. And I definitely don’t lean into that as much as I could. What’s it like when you are making offers to help people with the thought in your mind, is this good enough? Um, I’m just like questioning myself and questioning the worth of my program and just getting.

Like caught up in the details that like, I know don’t matter. I still kind of get caught in that loop. What do you think other people pick up on like your potential clients and the people that you are making offers to when you are making them an offer from a place. Is this good enough? What? I mean, energetically probably doesn’t feel as appealing and enticing.

It’s like almost like a might question themselves because like that is the lingering energy that they’re picking up. And so when you are making offers, thinking that thought, feeling those feelings, when you’re making office from that place, what’s the results that you’re getting. I feel like people sign up either right away or at the very end right before the program starts.

And it’s like in between, it’s like not as consistent. Like it’s like, I have my regulars that do every single offer that I do, and then they immediately jump on it. And then I have the people who are like kind of doddling and then considering, and then they’re like, oh yeah, I did want to do that. And they jump in and out of the end, but then the kind of.

The bulk middle part. It just seems not as consistent in terms of like sales and what’s the result when you’re, how do you think about your program when you’re actually delivering it? Do you have the same thoughts of, is this good enough? Like when you were at no, no. Cause I’m just like I’m so in the moment and I love what I do and I love that the techniques are so powerful and then I also.

I always get like emails and DMS and people are just like telling me what their breakthroughs were or like how that felt. So it’s like, I’m definitely being reinforced by my clients coming back and sharing what have, what has happened for them. So it’s like, I definitely. No, it’s not true in the moment.

It’s just like the pre-stuff . Okay. And I know you mentioned before we were recording, you’ve mentioned in other times that we’ve chatted that, um, you want to trust more that, um, people are going to join your group programs. Um, is that, is that in line with what you were saying? No, for sure. Cause like, I think I just like hype it up and then.

Like, I’m just nervous about like, getting disappointed if I don’t have a good, I guess, launch, but then like all my launches have been really great. So it’s like a, it’s not really based on anything, but I’m always just like, well, what if like this one’s going to flop? What if this is not the one that people are like aligned to, or needing in the moments?

I think it’s like not trusting the initial intuitive download that I got of what I’m going to be offering and then making it significantly more difficult than it needs. Yeah. Can you see how the, the questioning is this good enough can impact, um, is like kind of tied with your thoughts of, is this, are people going to join, et cetera?

They’re like, can you see how one would lead to the other? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. So we need to do a little cleanup here. Um, The thoughts that you’re having about your offer, because you need to. Believe in your offer, 1000000% in do the work to get behind it. And sometimes it does take work to get behind your offer because we’ve got to do the work to believe in ourselves and to believe in our abilities and that kind of stuff.

Um, and we already started doing that like right at the beginning, we kind of looked at like, you know, your offer is amazing and you know, that your name. In charge of, or holding the key to whether or not someone gets a transformation, right. You’re in charge of, and you hold the key to creating the container.

And then it’s up to your client’s individual self resources. I don’t, I mean, God angels, universe, whatever individual, whatever you want to say, whatever is driving the person to actually have the desire to make the change and show. For the coaching that’s what’s in charge of them getting results, right?

Yeah. How is that feeling? What’s coming up for you now? Um, like I know it’s true and I know that that, like, I, I understand it and I believe it, but then there’s still like a lingering. But should I have done more? Is this good enough? Like, it’s just like, still kinda like in the back of my mind, like kind of sneaks in, but I’m like, no, but it is, but then it still kind of chimes in sometimes.

Yeah. I don’t know that you do believe. ’cause you when you just said, and I believe it, it was like, almost like you were like questioning the way you said that little boys that like clicks, like you were asking yourself. No, no valid. Okay. So do you believe that? And I want you to ask, like answer honestly here.

Do you believe that your group coaching program is amazing and gets. Every time for everyone. Yes. Okay. I love the techniques that I know they work really well separately. And when you put them together, they’re like a powerhouse. Okay, awesome. So what’s the, non-believing there? What’s the pot that you don’t believe?


I think, I think there’s, it comes back to like what we initially set up. After a certain amount of time, it’s like, you almost need to do one-on-one coaching, which is not true. But then it’s like, how far can group coaching take you until you, I guess, but I don’t want to say you need a coach because nobody needs a coach, but it’s like, is there a max of how much you can achieve and obtain out of group coaching as compared to.

One-on-one coaching. So is this that you don’t think that your group coaching program can help your clients get results? Or do you not think that your clients themselves are going to get their results? Is this not believing about your abilities or not believing about your client’s ability? Um, the thing that’s coming to mind is my group coaching experience.

Like me being a participant have been great, but then it’s always been when I had time one-on-one with coaches, whether it’s a full one-on-one program or you get like the couple one-on-one like VIP sessions with the coach where I got the most out of it, but then now the way you phrased it, it just makes me think.

Maybe I wasn’t able to do more at that time because it was significantly further back in my healing journey. So it’s almost like then do I not trust my clients to do get like, do the work or get what they need to out of the group coaching? It’s like, almost like that is coming up. And that’s not for me to decide, like everyone gets what they need to out of it.

And like nothing’s guaranteed. And how can you gauge what is a good enough transformation like that, that, that doesn’t make sense by my, and I’ve said this multiple times on the podcast, my favorite way to get coached is group coaching and watching other people get coached. That’s what I I’ve had. The biggest transformations is by watching other people get coached.

And so can you see how, like you and I have different experiences of, right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cause I mean, some of the experiences I’ve had is like there’s people were super shy and don’t say anything and then there’s people who always talk, but then they almost. Take over the like, questioning and then it’s sometimes really specific to them and then like not everyone can relate.

Um, and you, um, or I, cause I think we’re talking about the same thing here. I’m like the same potentially group coaching situations. Um, Or there’s people that are really quiet are getting so much out of the things because they’re too afraid to get up and talk about what the people who were saying a lot are actually saying.

Yeah. Yeah. And I’ll still like, that’s immediately not true. Cause in my group coaching, I have a couple of people come all the time who always speak up, but everything they say is so insightful and beautiful that it’s like not true. Right.

Sleeping puppy snoring. Okay. So yeah, no, it’s like immediately not like that’s invalidated. That is not a true statement. Not the fact. Hm. So how are you feeling now about the thought that you were kind of having about, maybe you don’t believe in your client’s ability to get the transformation they came for versus you.

Giving them, like the thing that we talked about a couple of minutes ago, I would say, and I don’t know if this sounds like. Like blood, but it’s like, it is what it is. Like I’m just here to create the container and make it easy for people to access. And it’s like, this is what I’m offering. Does this suit you?

Does it not? It’s like almost like an all you can eat buffet. No one’s monitoring who eats a lot and it’s no, nobody cares. Like, oh, you pay to enter it. You just want to have dessert, have your dessert. Oh, you want to just eat salad, have your salad. You want to love everything. Perfect. And at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter.

Cause people get to. They’re like adventure. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And it’s like, even like with group coaching and one-on-one coaching, like, it just is what it is. Like, you can’t force someone to go to one restaurant compared to another it’s like, whatever it’s like, do you want McDonald’s have your McDonald’s or like, do you want to have like that at all?

Gluten-free vegan do that. Like it literally doesn’t matter. Exactly. When I was a kid, we used to go to like pizza hut, all you can eat. Um, I dunno if you have that in Canada, I think. So you would like to go to pizza hut and they would have like the buffet there and sometimes I would just get ice cream, but then there would be sometimes when I would get one of everything.

Right. And it’s like that with the group coaching. Yeah. Yeah. And people are just coming for the ice cream and some people want a little bit of everything. And it’s like, who are you to decide or monitor that? Like, it’s almost like none of your business. Yeah. Huh. Okay. How does that feel so much lighter?

Yeah. Like it’s like the pressure’s not on me. It’s like, I’m just meant to intuitively create programs and. It is what it is, who it’s meant to align to well and who it doesn’t totally fine. There’s something else out there for them. Yeah, exactly. And you’ve been intuitively guided to do all of the trainings that you’ve done.

Yeah. Like all of the work that you’ve done over the years, you’ve just been guided to do them. And like, they’re probably. There are definitely some people who did the exact same training as you who have decided to go down a different path or continue to use it at a whole. But you got what you came for out of that training out of that thing that you participated in, you got what you came for, whether or not, you know, at the time that it would kind of get to where it is now, you probably didn’t have any clue would end up here that you would end up here using these tools, doing what you’re doing.

That you just trusted and it’s the same thing for your clients. And that’s your work that actually is your job as the coach is to let your clients know and help them to understand in a very loving kind way that they are responsible for their results. And they can decide that they all. Get what they came for and what they got was exactly what they came for.

This is something that I’ve learned and that I’ve taken from my group coaching experiences that has served me and that I try and share as often as possible with my clients and students on the podcast all the time is deciding it’s a decision. It’s literally just a decision where you decide. Whatever I get today is exactly what I needed, wanted and came for.

And I’m not going to judge it or question it or say that it should have been different. That was exactly it’s exactly right. And it’s our job as coaches to teach our clients what coaching is and what it isn’t, what responsibility for outcomes is, and that they can decide that they always get what they came for us.

You can decide to do that in your programs as well. And like, that’s going to benefit your clients even just that is going to benefit them so much more than just the group coaching program that they do with you. That’s true. And I mean, like carve intention, like it’s infinite possibilities and like you get to decide what you want to create and align to.

Okay. So let’s do a little bit of our cleanup work. So now tell me the thought and empowering Phillip that you have about your clients getting results when they come to your group coaching. Um, I trust that every client will get exactly what they need out of the program. Every client gets exactly what they need.

I’m just going to shorten it as I write it down. And when you think that, how do you feel I’m super relaxed and there’s no tightness or anything. It’s just like, it feels like. Perfect. And when you’re feeling relaxed and what, what actions are you taking? I’m more likely to promote it because I know that the right person will hear it and it will just click for them.

Cause that’s what they’re looking for. And then what’s the result from that. I just open up that channel of. Aligning to more clients who are looking for something of what I’m offering and making it just energetically more free for people to like book. Perfect. Okay. How’s that? So if you have any questions, no, that was great.

Thank you. Thanks for letting me coach you today.

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